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Netherlands take e-mobility to next level: 100% of countrys trains are powered by #wind: https://t.co/U1oDry30ll pic.twitter.com/c0vrXxrDZl, UN Climate Change (@UNFCCC) January 10, 2017. The first two are feel good justifications that have no practical impact. 150, 200, 225, 300, 500, 750, 850 and 1300kW. 1995 - 2023 by Snopes Media Group Inc. http://www.djtelectricaltraining.co.uk/downloads/50Hz-Frequency.pdf. Consumer unions help by auctioning for grouped members. Especially since there are no green electrons. Started operation in 2001 and is developing a 6,000kW two blade downwind turbine. Where I post my arguments on various things climate-related, belief that a 100% renewable-powered train can and does exist is ubiquitous. Over the course of this year the average will be around 11%, equal to wind powers share of the Netherlands annual grid electricity consumption. How much of the Netherlands electricity is supplied by wind? Blunt, Elizabeth. The fun would be that trains would soon be blocking the lines as power production fell. Good for saving valuable hydrocarbons for something more useful than burning them, and they really can supply all my electricity 24/7 that way. This year, Dutch commuters ditched fossil fuels to power their country's trains on 100% wind energy - and it's a grand idea that's catching on the world over. The green electricity we use is generated by new wind farms, which have been brought into service in phases. More than 12% of the Netherland's electricity is generated from renewable sources, mainly biomass and waste (5% of the total) and wind (7% of the total). As well as the technological problems discussed in this blog can we afford this destruction of our landscapes pursuing this RE dream. You make one good point here which is that France has cheap electricity but expensive heating. Since 2015 there has been a trend towards the deployment and planning for large wind farms, both onshore and offshore, with a view to the approximate tripling wind power capacity from 2015 levels by 2023. Passing through the gates without traveling, Forgetting to check in or out and requesting refunds, Sustainable accessibility of the Netherlands, More information about NS buses that run on HVO. When I travel, I just plug in my electric razor, which automatically converts it. That would meet approximately 75% of the countries electricity needs. If its a less busy line, some of the electricity is stored in batteries on the train. Not big money, even on 100TWh. This question generated a number of comments in the last Blowout so I thought I would take a quick look at it. The concept of net energy must be applied to renewable sources of energy, such as windmills and photovoltaics. Yeap. It feels to many like progress. If thats the case, it marks a major turning point in the story of renewables. But you can arrange for a proxy burn of biogas in another state, say Colorado, and buy the rights to say you consumed it. At near the speed of light, is there such a thing as national or regional energy mix, other than in our habit forming minds? According to DutchNews.nl, there's currently a total of 2,200 wind turbines across the country. Overall, the Netherlands has over 2,000 wind turbines spread across the country. When wind power is fed into a grid it becomes inextricably mixed with all the vibrating electrons from other generation sources to the point where there is no way of knowing where any power taken from the grid came from. Eneco has made a point . You may opt-out by. The farm consists of three smaller wind farms owned by separate organisations with local community links. [37] Other large wind farms are located in Delfzijl-zuid (43 MW),[30] Lelystad (46 MW), Terneuzen, (Koegorspolder, 44 MW), and Biddinghuizen (WP Kubbeweg, 34 MW). According to Statistics Netherlands, gross electricity generation was approximately 110 billion kilowatthours (BkWh) in 2015. If it was based on the former there would a strong possibility that these companies could be oversubscribed with customers who may not receive true renewable energy when the wind does not blow. The electrons vibrate at 60 cycles per second, 60 Hz, and travel at less than 0.1 inch/second. However, the government wants 40% of the total electricity used in 2030 in the Netherlands to be supplied by wind. The two Dutch wind farms that have contracted to sell power to NS (Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen) are both connected directly to the Dutch grid, along with all the other power plants in the country, and NS draws its power from the grid: Figure 3: The Netherlands' electricity grid. This record was immediately beaten the following year with another 766 MW being added. Web. But you seem happy to gloss over the fact that Germanys cheap power comes from coal, nuclear and Russian gas. Willem, you dont feel deprived by having 60Hz in the US. Companies that want to claim that they run on green energy then just have to buy enough GoOs to cover their energy demand. Instead of trains recovering energy for their own use, any excess power is directed to a centralized bank of lithium-ion batteries. These sites are also surveyed centrally by the government allowing developers to avoid costly and multiple surveys.[11]. I see the logic behind the options for supply that can be taken, but how can any householder take a contract for 100% wind power when often this is not available, certainly if a large number opt for green power. While it was originally used to pump water or grind grain, wind is now helping Dutch commuters get to work. Once stored, this electricity can be sold to the main power grid, helping the city to top up peak demand, and earning the train company money in the process. (End of excerpt). 5.3M views, 13K likes, 1.3K loves, 1.7K comments, 95K shares, Facebook Watch Videos from BrightVibes: Amazing news! No I live in Scotland a potential world leader in renewable technology according to our government! The Netherlands is also well prepared for a significant rise in the production of intermittent power from wind energy by good linkages to its neighbours via high voltage cables enabling power to be imported or exported as required. Were starting to see this ploy more often in recent years. Dutch electric trains are running on 1.2 billion kilowatt-hours of wind energy supplied by sustainable energy supplier, Eneco. Began operating in 1990. Three strikes. The turbines supply enough energy to power 2.4 million households. An Eneco and NS joint website. However, wind power consumption in the Netherlands in 2015 was 12.5TWh, indicating that about 5TWh of wind power was imported during the year. http://www.sciencealert.com/all-electric-trains-in-the-netherlands-are-now-100-powered-by-wind-energy. Sign up for our email newsletter! Most wind power is produced in the province of Flevoland. In 2020 wind power provided 11.54% of the Dutch electricity generation (see table above) while solar power provided an additional 7.25% for a combined 18.79% - easily meeting the target without taking other renewable sources into account, even though the target for onshore wind capacity was not met. But lets be real. If the train line is a busy one, with small gaps between scheduled trains, the electricity produced by one helps to power the very next one that comes along. France has an even bigger problem with energy poverty even though her supposedly cheaper power. Nevermind the entirety of it. The rationale is: If the Dutch railways sourced 100% of the 1.4 tWh of energy they needed each year from within the Netherlands, this would decrease availability and increase prices of green power for other parties. Because theyre just one part of a wider grid, most train operators use electricity from a mix of different sources coal-fired generators, nuclear plants, hydropower or, in the case of Nederlandse Spoorwegen, exclusively from wind turbines. The two Dutch wind farms that have contracted to sell power to NS (Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen) are both connected directly to the Dutch grid, along with all the other power plants in the country, and NS draws its power from the grid: Figure 3: The Netherlands electricity grid. NO. Ah, so the train really runs on smoke & mirrors. There are very little poor people in Germany. So even if this claim were true, it would require exponentially more windmills and/or solar panels to cover any significant portion of the continental United States. Supply from all generators is monitored in any case, all youd have to do is add up the Only a small fraction of the power delivered to its trains actually comes from wind.. Initially, trains in the Netherlands were set to run entirely on renewable energy by 2018. [1], The Dutch government has expressed the aspiration to build 4.450 MW of offshore wind power by 2023[5] which will have a considerable impact on the Dutch electricity grid, operated by TenneT. I have just signed up with EON at 9.4p per Kwh, It is common for major companies to claim they use renewable or carbon-free power only, on the grounds of green certificates. So we in fact reached our goal a year earlier than planned, said Boon, adding that an increase in the number of wind farms across the country and off the coast of the Netherlands had helped NS achieve its aim. Since 2017 , 100% of Dutch electric trains have been powered by wind energy. An earlier version said all Dutch trains were now 100% powered by wind-generated electricity, according to the national railway company NS. 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Wind power from Finland can be discounted. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. [5] The first of these, the 429 MW Noordoostpolder wind farm was already partially deployed by year end 2015 whilst the 600 MW Gemini offshore wind farm was commissioned in 2017. Wind farm output goes up again ? Wind farmsboth onshore and offshoreare regarded as a key component in renewable energy policy and an important tool in mitigating the risks of climate change. [62], Installed land-based wind capacity (MW) by. The ns also solved the issue of delayed trains by changing the defenition of delay from 3 minutes to 5 minutes. Belgium and Finland, wind farm portfolio guarantees sufficient capacity to cover such eventualities, http://www.sciencealert.com/all-electric-trains-in-the-netherlands-are-now-100-powered-by-wind-energy, http://www.djtelectricaltraining.co.uk/downloads/50Hz-Frequency.pdf, http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-e1-and-vs-t1/, https://askjaenergy.com/2015/03/23/does-apple-not-want-truly-green-data-centers/. For offshore wind a new system of tendering is under development. These newer and larger wind farms are making use of some of the largest wind turbines available, in particular in the case of Noordoostpolder the Enercon E-126 7500kW wind turbine, the largest onshore turbine available at that time. , I am told Biogas is not actually allowed in our pipeline system.. Nor should you you probably get shaved 20% faster than me! The supply of wind power to the Dutch grid will also not be constant. The pickup shoes do occasionally lose contact anyway, albeit very briefly, at track junctions. This energy is directly traceable to individual wind farms, because we use the GVO European Certification System. This passage was written by David Hughes. But none of this wind power is directly connected to the NS rail system. All renewable energy gets paid the FIT out of the so-called SDE budget. Thank you for explaining it to everyone else. Earlier this week, one of their national railway companies, Nederlandse Spoorwegen (NS), announced that, since 1 st January, every single one of its electric trains have been running on energy. [2] The Dutch are trying to meet the EU-set target of producing 14% of total energy use from renewable sources by 2020, and 16% by 2023. The turbines supply enough energy to power 2.4 million households. Your membership is the foundation of our sustainability and resilience. Active 2020. Do the claims about Netherlands trains also require further explanation? Sign up for our email newsletter! 2015 was a record year for new installations in the Netherlands with 586 MW added of which 180 MW were offshore. And only half of the wind power NS has contracted for comes from the Netherlands. Founded in 2004, Produced at least 12 models at 250, 500, 750, 900 and 2000kW. Its worth remembering that data on wind and solar is available here: http://mylly.hopto.me/windineurope/wind_solar_20_countries_raw.zip. Since 2019, the buses have been powered by HVO (Hydrotreated Vegetable Oil) made from processed deep fryer oil and industrial fats. This quote appeared in a book edited by Homer-Dixon, but it was actually written by David Hughes. Great post. As of January 1, all trains in the Netherlands now run entirely on wind power (that is to say electricity generated by wind farms, not masts and sails). One windmill running for an hour can power a train for 120 miles, the companies said. Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own. Updated [5 February 2019]: Original version of this article attributed this quote to Thomas Homer-Dixon. As Brightvibes noted, a decreasing and relatively small number of Dutch trains are still running on diesel. A little more than a tenth of all electricity consumed in the Netherlands comes from wind power, some of which is imported. According to Thomas Homer-Dixon, wind turbines never recoup the energy it takes to build them. And meanwhile the Netherlands electrified railways continue to be powered dominantly by fossil fuel electricity. In addition, the use of conductor rails sets a speed limit on trains of about 160kph (100mph) above this, the metal contact blocks (called pickup shoes) can lose contact with the rail and result in a drop in power. I find that the electrified portion of the Dutch railway network (Nederlandse Spoorwegen, or NS) runs on grid electricity that comes dominantly from fossil fuel generation (natural gas and coal). If a energy supply company contracts with a renewable provider ( I am not including nuclear sources) would it be based on the installed power of the wind farms or a capacity factor adjusted power capabilities? The truth is that its impossible to determine the source of electrons actually moving NS trains down the track. [21], In November 2011, the Dutch government decided to no longer fund 6 billion per year to maintain subsidized wind kWh at 0.18. Works for me, and they were cheaper than EON too. More than wind and solar together right now. [10] [11] [12], 2015 Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Started operations 2009. Willem, forgive the pedantry, but its the second time you said it. I Did Not Say Wind Energy is 'Idiot Power.'" When you dont know reality and cant speak German you have to believe what you find on the English writing interwebs . This is hardly enough to make a big deal about. Only the Guardian has seen fit to publish a correction: An earlier version said all Dutch trains were now 100% powered by wind-generated electricity, according to the national railway company NS. I cant help feeling that inexperienced power traders at NS will have been taken to the cleaners at the expense of passengers. In total there were 3,004 MW of onshore wind power at the end of 2015. [17] Where the parks will come and how they will be built is still being discussed. What Is (And Isn't) Scientific About The Multiverse. All Dutch electric trains are now powered by wind energy, the national railway company NS has said . Hinkley C will have a footprint of 165 acres when operational and an equivalent footprint for onshore windturbines would be from 160,000 to 490,000 acres (dependent on power of turbines available) to produce the same power output over a year. supply from NSs contracted windfarms,and if their supply drops below the train systems demand, As shown in the table below installed capacity is dominantly fossil fuel, with natural gas making up 61% of total installed capacity and coal 15%. An all-electric heating is much easier to implement, few properly dimensioned wires and cheap heaters, while a gas heater needs specific know-how and is much more capital-intensive. One thing I should have mentioned in the post is why NS doesnt get all its wind power from Netherlands wind farms. The 600,000 daily. Built 1992 this nearshore wind farm had just 4 Nedwind 500 KW turbines based 1km to shore. Figure 1: The Netherlands generation mix 2000-2013. No direct subsidies from the government are related to this contract.. Produced at least 14 models of 100. That would force other trains to halt. The company said all electric trains were now powered by wind energy. Wind power now supplies about 10% of Belgiums electricity, so power imported from the Belgian grid will be about 10% wind. So while wind contributes about 7% to the Netherlands electricity generation it contributes about 11% to the countrys electricity consumption. The company said all electric trains were now powered by wind energy. What Was It Like When The Universe First Created More Matter Than Antimatter? Well, it actually claims that only the electrified portion runs on 100% wind. The turbines have a hub height of 135 metres (443ft) and each new turbine can generate as much electricity as all 50 turbines of the old wind farm combined. The farm consists of 43 Vestas V112 turbines of 3 MW capacity each. [20] An additional 228 MW of capacity was installed at sea. heavyweather~ Im sure you can link us to sites which prove your point. I have no wind records for the Netherlands but P.F. Rod, you must live in Albania E.ON wanted to put my tariff up from 9.79p to 13.87p. As of October2022[update], wind power in the Netherlands has an installed capacity of 8,304 MW, 29.6% of which is based offshore. Electricity is electricity, electron charge transfer. If you would like to know more, click here. But there is no guarantee that the unfilled demand will be met by renewables, and in any event the 1.2-1.4TWh/year consumed by NS represents barely more than 1% of the Netherlands annual electricity consumption and a totally negligible fraction of European consumption. quite an amount of work youve done there, It doesnt add up ! The Dutch government has set a target of 6,000 MW nameplate capacity of onshore wind power by 2020 (not met, as per the data above) and 4,450 MW of offshore wind power by 2023. Bach supplies data for Belgium, which should be a close analogy, and Figure 4 shows Belgian wind generation for September 2014: Figure 4: Belgian wind generation, September 2014, With an installed capacity of around 1850MW in this month the overall wind capacity factor was 11% and there were a number of occasions on which wind generation fell effectively to zero for hours on end. Ive included a (slightly-edited) mini-excerpt from my recent book, Science and the City, to explain: Electric locomotives dont have conventional engines. Even the two Dutch wind farms with which NS contracts directly for wind power, Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen, are tied generally to the Dutch grid and not tied directly into the NS rail system. [2] [6] The wind park was developed off the coast of IJmuiden by Econcern and Eneco Energie, at a total cost of $522.3 million.[6]. In total, NS consumes around 1.2 TWh of electricity to power its trains. I have caught people several times in their lectures saying they are burning biogas on a campus, and they always are sheepish when I call them out on it, because they know they are fibbing. Obvious to the meanest intelligence. Some of the newer larger wind farms currently under construction are replacing smaller turbines previously installed at given locations. BBC News. I think the trains in the Netherlands use 1.5kVDC anyway bet there are no wind turbines producing that directly. As Cleantechnica puts it: the GoO system allows for the transfer of the rights to call electricity green from those who actually generate renewable energy to those who dont but want to classify their power as such. NS would only care for the environment as a PR stunt, not for the betterment of the planet. 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